O2 send Pre Warning letters to customers (whose data they have “sold” to Golden Eye International) UPDATE 3

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Letter from O2

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Letter from BeThere

It has emerged today that O2 and BeThere, have sent out letters of warning to their Customers in light of the Norwich Pharmacal (NPO) they failed to defend against Pornographers Golden Eye International/Ben Dover Productions (GEIL/BDP).

The letter is quite generic, but interestingly does point the recipient to the Citizens Advice Bureau (CAB).  This is actually significant, as Consumer Focus (who intervened on behalf of O2 customers at the Court Case when O2 acquiesced to GEIL/BDP) won a good victory in ensuring that the CAB would be informed and would have all the relevant information ready for anyone who contacted them when they received a letter.

The fact that O2 and BeThere have included this in their warning letters, must come as a blow to GEIL/BDP as this will give  an effective “heads up” for those receiving the letters that they will send.  In the past campaigns of Davenport Lyons and ACS:LAW and also Tilly Baily Irvine and Gallant Macmillan, the ISP was forbidden to contact their customers in advance, this seems like a real oversight by GEIL/BDP and could cost them dear.

The Speculative Invoicing model that GEIL/BDP are pursuing relies on people being uninformed and paying up out of fear of Court action, that fear in the past has been fuelled by the previous law firms involved insinuating that an alleged infringer had a choice of paying between £500 and £700, OR face Court action that they could not possibly win, with the threat of thousands of pounds in court costs being awarded against them.  One can easily see the stark choice and why so many even innocent people paid up.  The evidence against them however was nothing like what they had been told.

Davenport Lyons, ACS:LAW, Tilly Baily Irvine and Gallant Macmillan, were all punished to a lesser or greater extent by their regulatory body the Solicitors Regulation Authority.  GEIL/BDP are not bound by this although their solicitor Mark Wagner of Wagner and Co is.

Around December the 10th GEIL/BDP will be back in court to try to appeal against the ruling that they can only claim copyright for their own films, another ten producers are waiting to join the action.  As things stand around just under 3000 letters will be sent out soon by GEIL/BDP, however if they win their appeal a further 6000 could be sent.  As can be seen in the NPO O2 are charging £2.20 per ip address.

Open Rights Group (ORG) is taking over the appeal role from Consumer Focus, they are seeking support from those outraged by this continuing practice. Contact them here. (I am NOT affiliated with the Open Rights Group in any way, but do agree with the support they give and the reasons they are doing it)

It remains to be seen how this will pan out, but apart from the CAB a good source of info for all this is Slyck Forums and Torrent Freak

The NPO is here.

UPDATE 1:

The NEW update to the Speculative Invoicing Handbook has now been released… Thanks to “Beingthreatened”

UPDATE 2: It is being reported that out of the 2800 IPs that Golden Eye applied for from O2, O2 are saying they have been able to match less than 1000, this is a VERY POOR return by any measure and really undermines the confidence in their Monitoring System.

UPDATE 3 The “Speculative Invoicing Handbook Part 2” can be seen here, with PDF download link

About Hickster

I am one of the many innocent people who have been accused of file sharing by Copyright Trolls, my letter came from the now infamous ACS:LAW, but they have now been emulated by many more using the same system. Their ruse is simple, Send out letters of claim with NO Real evidence beyond an IP address that they claim was captured using a frowned upon hack of Shareaza. My REAL opinion of these companies turned when they started sending out Pornography claims, THAT is what I find most disturbing. People who HAVE to pay up without the option of having their day in Court. THAT is NOT Justice. Why can't they just go to Court? because the Lawyers, pitch the price of paying the "Compensation" at about the same rate as hiring a lawyer to fight it. Things have changed in the last 8 years though. I would advise people to read the "Speculative Invoicing Handbook Part 2", research these people yourselves, and find me at Slyck Forums, or on Twitter. Do NOT Worry, Stand Strong
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4 Responses to O2 send Pre Warning letters to customers (whose data they have “sold” to Golden Eye International) UPDATE 3

  1. Anonymous says:

    What worries me, is that I used to be an o2 customer at a previous address. From what I’ve seen in the o2 forum, there are a number of people who’ve been targeted, but claim to be completely innocent. If somehow my name is on that list, the letters will go unanswered, and according to something I read this morning, not answering is as good as saying you’re guilty.

  2. shootingsquad says:

    I think it should be noted that a couple of these companies have since been dissolved:

    RP Films Limited (Paul Wakeman, Gavin Erlam) was dissolved earlier this year

    http://www.creditgate.com/company_information/rp+films+ltd.aspx

    DMS Telecoms is also Paul Wakeman’s company, which is still active. Andrew Streeter was the company secretary for both companies. Erlam would seem to be a festish gay pornographer. I wonder why RP Films has since been dissolved and directors were changed in September 2011?

    Orchid MG Limited is still active, however the only company director, Carolyn Saunders is listed as “appointment terminated” since January 2012. She was the owner of Orchid, whose website (http://www.orchidxxx.com/) is no longer active.

    http://www.cdrex.com/orchid-mg-ltd/board-2977463.html

  3. shootingsquad says:

    Oliver Justin Ribeiro Dos Santos is listed by himself on the NPO as himself trading at Joybear pictures, what’s interesting that he set up “J.R. DOS SANTOS LIMITED” in August 2011 (http://www.cdrex.com/jr-dos-santos-limited-7624417.html) and Joybear Limited in January 2012 (http://bizzy.co.uk/uk/07928755/joybear)

  4. Hickster says:

    @ShootingSquad
    Thanks for taking time out to post these points, I appreciate it, I will look into them and see where they lead.. Any more would be welcome!

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